Daily Star (UK) - 9/11 academics are 'crackpots'

Admin · Daily Star (UK) - 9/11 academics are 'crackpots'

Yesterday's Daily Star featured a full-page article describing 9/11 conspiracy theorists as lunatics. 'Madmen' named were Steven Jones of Brigham University, James Fetzer of 911 Scholars For Truth and Kevin Barrett.

Really, really bad journalism, in my view.
Anyone else see this?

Sylvie

Do you have a link to read it, Steven ?

Admin

No, sorry Sylvie, you have to subscribe to a digital version of the newspaper in order to see the article

Sylvie

Oh merci ! it is ok but if you have time, it would be nice to get a few words about this. If not, I'll understand.

Admin

Waaaa! No way am I subscribing to that newspaper!!

How's it going at Uno, Sylvie? Can't be easy without Laure to help you

Sylvie

Bah, but how did you read it ?

About your question, I' m managing the best I can but sure miss not having some of the old faces around.

Admin

Sylvie

Can you scan it ?

About Uno, you will understand this is not the place to talk about this here !
I drop you a few word by pm.

Admin

I don't have a scanner, sorry

Sylvie

Oh my God, you must play lottery Steven !! :lol:
I'm sorry about this report, I'll do without it. You know I went at Ground O yesterday, this is very strange to believe all those things. Manuella is going to show me pics because her husband was at the 20th floor in one of the Twin Towers...

UltimaCydonia

Just search google.

Admin

I've now come to the belief that no amount of words, 'convincing' arguments' or visual evidence will sway those who believe what we've been told officially. Five years on, we're really none the wiser, whether this is due to media silence, government obsfucation (and ceaseless invention/disinformation), or the increased 'specialisation' and in-fighting of the so-called conspiracy theorists...

I now believe that one shouldn't get drawn into endless debates about physical evidence - few of us are truly qualified to argue the merits of whether the Towers collapsed due to burning jet fuel, or explosives, or whether there were hijacked planes or remote planes, or missiles, hell, even holographic planes (!) ...Debating evidence of this kind leads the truth-seeker 'round in circles, in much the same way as the 'JFK magic bullet' debate has snared theorists for decades, led them blindly through a maze of truth and untruth, leaving the real story of the event still unexplored fully;evidence of this kind, whether it's video, anecdotal, 'expert', or otherwise has all the appearance and effect of a trap for the unwary. It doesn't much matter how it was done - what matters are the actions of those you suspect to be involved, hence, instead of fruitless searching for the answers to technical questions, and the endless viewing of film that could possibly have been manipulated by 'interested' parties, I think we need to look more closely at the aftermath of 9/11, not the technicalities of it;the now-clichéd question 'who benefits?' is very relevent here, as is another question: Why is it that virtually every major 'terrorist' named by the authorities has links to US or US-controlled intelligence agencies, whether it be CIA, FBI, Pakistan's ISI or Britain's MI6? Doesn't this strike you as suspicious? Could it be that 9/11's 'cast of thousands' has been handpicked by it's directors??

Sylvie

Thanks for this excellent writing Steve. I'm not so clever as you concerning this problem but it is obvious that we can't help, and more and more in time, doubt about what Us governement wants to make us believe. This leads me to know much more about those theories of conspiracies and this is so passionating. It would be interesting to link those terrorists events through the time and make the parallel with US international and economics politics.

Ju-Ju!

the terror storm video has really tested my beliefs. I'm being told that George Bush is a dictator by the video and then my parents tell me he's a good role model being against abortion.. what to believe..

Ichabod Crane

Ichabod Crane

Admin

You’ve got to be lucky to make $4 Billion killing on a 6-month investment of $124 Million

Larry Silverstein is the New York property tycoon who purchased the entire WTC complex just 6 months prior to the 9/11 attacks. That was the first time in its 33-year history the complex had EVER changed ownership.

Mr. Silverstein’s first order of business as the new owner was to change the company responsible for the security of the complex. The new security company he hired was Securacom (now Stratasec). George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, was on its board of directors, and Marvin’s cousin, Wirt Walker III, was its CEO. According to public records, not only did Securacom provide electronic security for the World Trade Center, it also covered Dulles International Airport and United Airlines — two key players in the 9/11 attacks.

The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for many years to the Bush family. KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

Now, consider: The members of a small cabal owned the WTC complex, controlled its electronic security, and also controlled the security not only for one of the airlines whose aircraft were hijacked on 9/11, but the airport from which they originated.

Another little “coincidence” -- Mr. Silversten, who made a down-payment of $124 million on this $3.2 billion complex, promptly insured it for $7 Billion. Not only that, he covered the complex against “terrorist attacks”.

Following the attacks, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy ($7B), based on the two -- in Silverstein's view -- separate attacks. The insurance company, Swiss Re, paid Mr. Silverstein $4.6 Billion — a princely return on a relatively paltry investment of $124 million.

There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?

The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.

The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!

In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.

WTC Building 7 was a part of the WTC complex, and covered under the same insurance policy. This 47-storey steel-framed structure, which was NOT struck by an aircraft, mysteriously collapsed 8 hours later that same day into its own footprint at freefall speed — exactly in the manner of the Twin Towers.

How could this have happened? Mr. Silverstein gave the world the answer when he slipped up during a PBS television interview a year later, on 9/11/2002:

"I remember getting a call from the...er...fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

As anyone who knows anything about construction can tell you, “Pull” is common industry jargon for a controlled demolition.

One thing is for sure, the decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have delighted many people. Especially because it has been reported that thousands of sensitive files relating to some of the biggest financial scams in history — including Enron and WorldCom -- were stored in the offices of some of the building’s tenants:

US Secret Service
NSA
CIA
IRS
BATF
SEC
NAIC Securities
Salomon Smith Barney
American Express Bank International
Standard Chartered Bank
Provident Financial Management
ITT Hartford Insurance Group
Federal Home Loan Bank

The Securities and Exchange Commission has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed by the collapse of WTC 7. Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases."

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking [about WorldCom] was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack.

Inside WTC 7 was the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. "All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran.

What a neat, complete, and fortuitous turn of events was 9/11.

Sylvie

Is it a report Steven because this is so scary...

Ju-Ju!

my parents aren't americans but are in this case uneducated...

steve this is very concerning :?

Admin

It's from a blog or website of some kind. But the facts therein have been known about for a few years now and are in the public domain.

Sylvie

I can't believe those informations don't have so much weigh but undoutedly, those conspiracy theories seem to be spread.

Admin

'Just like the CIA trained terrorists to the fight
Build bombs and sneak box cutters onto a flight
My words'll expose George Bush and Bin Laden
As two separate parts of the same seven-headed dragon
And you can't fathom the truth, so you don't hear me
You think illuminati's just a f*****g conspiracy theory?

I hacked the Pentagon for self-incriminating evidence
Of Republican manufactured white powder pestilence
Marines Corps. flat vest, with the guns and ammo
Spittin' bars like a demon stuck inside a piano

Turn a Sambo into a soldier with just one line
Now here's the truth about the system that'll fuck up your mind
They gave Al Queda 6 billion dollars in 1989 to 1992
And now the last chapters of Revelations are coming true

And I know a lot of people find it hard to swallow this
Because subliminal bigotry makes you hate my politics
But you act like America wouldn't destroy two buildings
In a country that was sponsoring bombs dropped on our children

I was watching the Towers, and though I wasn't the closest
I saw them crumble to the Earth like they was full of explosives
And they thought nobody noticed the news report that they did
About the bombs planted on the George Washington bridge
Four Non-Arabs arrested during the emergency
And then it disappeared from the news permanently

They dubbed a tape of Osama, and they said it was proof
"Jealous of our freedom," I can't believe you bought that excuse
Rockin' a motherf*****g flag don't make you a hero
Word to Ground Zero
The Devil crept into Heaven, God overslept on the 7th
The New World Order was born on September 11

And just so Conservatives don't take it to heart
I don't think Bush did it, 'cuz he isn't that smart
He's just a stupid puppet taking orders on his cell phone
From the same people that sabotaged Senator Wellstone
The military industry got it poppin' and lockin'
Looking for a way to justify the Wolfowitz Doctrine

And as a matter of fact, Rumsfeld, now that I think back
Without 9/11, you couldn't have a war in Iraq
Or a Defense budget of world conquest proportions
Kill freedom of speech and revoke the right to abortions
Tax cut extortion, a blessing to the wealthy and wicked
But you still have to answer to the Armageddon you scripted

And Dick Cheney, you f*****g leech, tell them your plans
About building your pipelines through Afghanistan
And how Israeli troops trained the Taliban in Pakistan
You might have some house niggaz fooled, but I understand
Colonialism is sponsored by corporations
That's why Halliburton gets paid to rebuild nations

Tell me the truth, I don't scare into paralysis
I know the CIA saw Bin Laden on dialysis
In '98 when he was Top Ten for the FBI
Government ties is really why the Government lies
Read it yourself instead of asking the Government why'

'Cause Of Death': Lyrics by Immortal Technique