Reasons why they Join "That Stupid Club"?

Northern-Star · Reasons why they Join "That Stupid Club"?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6976583.stm

So, do you think that rock and roll folk are destined to die younger, or is it just that people who play rock and roll are more likely to be prone to depression or come from a hard background and therefore have sadder stories to tell, like any other joe from that kind of background?

I mean for example: kurt cobain, amy winehouse, pete doherty, janis joplin etc.I know some of those people are not dead..yet, but is it that to provide us with the depth we crave they are also feeling so dark and addicted..

I don't think so, I think if you match the stats, the same amount of non famous rockers will have died at that age to the famous rockers..

wildflower

yeah im not really too sure if these people suffered for their art, but i cant deny that there seems to be something really tortured about musically gifted people, i dont know if its just the life they become involved with once they get the fame, the contacts and the money to be able to explore different sides of life, i even wonder sometimes if these people have the opportunity to sample everything that anyone can imagine, and it just kind of throws them off the rails, they become depressed because they seem to have done everything and experienced everything, life becomes a chore? or if it really is a gene that artists seem to be born with! interesting subject Karen!

Museclues

free coffee lol

StarlightInTheGloom

I think its just another example of BBC's, and the media in general, narrow mindedness. Like with the whole MCR suicide cult thing in the Daily Mail...just cause one girl killed herself they automatically assumed that the music she was listening to was to blame...but to be honest, when has the line "i am not afraid to keep on living" promoted death?!
And they assume that rockstars are going to die younger just cause some of them died after over-excessive drinking/drug taking. What i think is that you could get hit by a bus and killed tomorrow, so why not make the most of life while you have it?

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hystericali

Don't get me started on the Daily Mail / MCR debate.

I know most of us on here adore MCR, and the mums amongst us have daughters who are fans too. My mum is an avid Daily Mail reader and gave me a right finger wagging session about letting my daughter listen to them because she'd go emo and commit suicide and get into cults because of MCR BECAUSE THE DAILY MAIL SAYS SO

I got my mum back though, I put MSI's 'Faggot' on when she was in the car and said 'what you going to tell the Daily Mail about this, then?'.

Still playing my mum up at 37 years old

StarlightInTheGloom

yeah, i keep getting grillings off my parents asking me if im emo because i listen to MCR...

they thought muse were emo!!!!!!!!! i just laughed in their faces...

I understand that her parents were trying to find someone to blame for that tragedy, but i dont think that by the daily mail constantly targeting the emo sub-culture it is going to make anything better. All its doing is sending close minded people into a panic that their children have suicidal tendancies and every time they listen to my chemical romance they feel the need to slit their throats....Its just a stupid, pathetic, low thing for them to have done...but then, it is the daily mail...
I mean, i just dont agree with sub-cultures at all...how society is trying to get us to conform to a stereotype based on the way we dress and what music we listen to...i mean, ive just left high school, and i was branded with the label of 'greb' the whole time i was there just because i wore skinny jeans and band t-shirts...its just stupid and is another example of what sort of a society we live in, where people feel the need to conform to one stereotype just to fit in...its stupid..

Ok, rant over, sorry people, its just that stuff REALLY annoys me.

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wildflower

i personally think that children as young as 13 (not your daughter Ali as she has a cool mum to explain stuff to her) unless they are very mature for their age really shouldnt listen to stuff like MCR because they always get the message wrong! How can you explain that Headfirst for Halos is actually an anti suicide song? all you hear from the lyrics is Im gonna kill myself, many of them wouldnt get the irony of it being set to really catchy, happy music, i dunno, i just tend to think that if a person is troubled then they can find messages in any kind of lyric, and its something that they would go out and do with or without a band to blame it on

Northern-Star

Well my sister is a prim example Carroll, she just turned 12 and told me last week that her friends are mostly rockers. They love as does she MCR and Paramore. I just feel that she is a little less mature than say Ali's daughter would be and as I'm not there to instruct her, I fear that she will fall into that trap. My mam is terrible at banning things, so I think if she did ban her listening to their music it would just make things worse!

Both my younger brothers were goth/rockers from 13-16 ish then turned into kinda general tracksuit and jean wearing guys. Which my mam so preferred.
When I asked my sis what she was, she said an inbetweener and I said well thats fine nothing wrong with liking lots of stuff. She asked me what I was and I said Karen! haha Which has taken me years to figure out btw!

hystericali

my daughter has a really good head on her shoulders and has taken little guidance from me really. She's got a strong will, and treats MCR as entertainment if that makes sense, she just adores the music. She gets absorbed in it. I doubt she would get the wrong message from the lyrics because she's got such a strong sense of herself and is secure with herself. She gets really fed up when people tell her to 'stop being emo' or 'go cut yourself'. She understands a tiny bit about self harm, but does not relate it to herself.

She isn't trivial about MCR, and I hope it doesn't sound that way, she absolutely adores them, but I'm desperately struggling to say the lyrics do mean something to her, she does 'get it' but the lyrics do not relate to her personality and strength of character. She understands the words, but she wouldn't take them as being a way to act, MCR lyrics wouldn't dictate her behavior.

I'm totally struggling with what I'm trying to say here and may come back and try and edit this post into something that makes sense. MCR are a way of life to my daughter, trust me, but she can seperate lyrics and real life is what I guess I'm trying to say.

Northern-Star

I think I know what you mean Ali, I don't think my post was clear either lol
My sisters friend has a bebo page, and there is a picture, lets just say that is very emo and maybe she didn't notice it, but it's there and then she has joined a group called something like "just coz we are emo doesn't mean we cut ourselves" I just don't want my lil sis knowing about stuff like that you know?! I mean I certainly didn't at 12.

Although if they are listening to the music and then we have what my mam lets her watch(she let her watch Juno!! FFS) and she seems to have free reign on the internet too. I just, well with me I didn't need emo or bands like that to self harm, so maybe she will just find it herself anyway, if it is going to happen. pah
I just feel bad being so far away and not being able to protect her

I asked my bro one day why he stopped being into rock stuff(he was a huge slipknot fan) he said "it was too depressing"

At the end of the day, I think if kids are going to do something, they will do it wether or not they prescribe to the stereotype of "being emo".

wildflower

yeah i understand what youre both saying, and to be honest, i think that the individual that is gonna be influenced by music, games or movies etc must be really quite disturbed to start with because any person young or old, that is comfortable with themselves just wouldnt really take notice of lyrics and interpret them as "go kill yourself", so i think that unless that person has a little bit of a screw loose then they can see the media as what it is, entertainment, arrgh, its so hard to express what you want to say isnt it? hehe

I also think that kids today are so much more aware of..well..pretty much everything these days, we have no chance of keeping them as kids because the media dictates otherwise, from dieting down to sex, theyre just exposed at such a young age these days, i guess its just another sign of our times, nothing we can do about it apart from try to guide them i guess

StarlightInTheGloom

yeah i get what you mean, like that bimboworld thing on the internet, where little kids go on it and can give their Avatars plastic surgery and diet pills...girls as young as nine are on that...Kids that age haven't really developed a sense of self, so its going to affect them because they look at that and think its the norm. The media exposes young children to things they shouldn't really know about.
But, people interpret lyrics in different ways, so, i agree that a person would have to be a bit disturbed to interpret lyrics as "go kill yourself" or "go self harm"...