Saddam Hussein

Ju-Ju! · Saddam Hussein

First of all do you agree with his execution?

Personally, this is what i feel.

Saddam Hussein's capture and execution was an excuse, and was fuel for the americans and american troops to remain in Iraq.
America clearly were interested in one thing and that was the oil.

Should he have been executed?
Of course not. By killing one corrupt man, does not justify the countless lives that have been sacraficed and lost under his rule. By judging him and giving him the leave to escape this corrupt world he himself has created, is only serving his wish.

He will leave this earth bearing knowledge that he was a matyr. Dying for his belief. He doesn't deserve such false gratification. He deserved a painful slow death. Why not grant him lifetime imprisonment?

So now he's dead, why now? Just before a musilm holiday almost creating a sense of a christian crusade being underway and just before Bush's announcement of his new stratergy where he will discuss whether to continue sending american troops to war in Iraq?

He has lost the fuel to the war in Iraq. He needs some kind of uproar to give reason for his descision to allow the troops to remain in Iraq, controlling the people and taking the profit from Oil to himself.

He could have waited a month.. or even a week, whereby Saddam could have been tried against more crimes that he has committed.

It all seems far too rushed in my opinion. So what's the prospect? Iraq faces a civil war and you can bet my aunt fanny, both America and the Uk will involve themselves.
It's just how shit goes down.

hystericali

there are those that think he is still alive despite them now showing pictures of him afterwards.

I cannot put my opinions into words, I struggle with articulating.

He did horrible things to his fellow country folk, but I'm not really politically minded enough to be able to put words on here.

wildflower

yeah i kind of feel the same Ali, its hard to articulate, i just think that by killing him it will be seen as someway making amends to all the families lives that hes destroyed, a life for a life, although i agree with you Julz about life in prison being a much more hard labour!

Northern-Star

I agree with his execution, as yes he was an evil man. I know he wanted to be shot to death as he considered himself a military man and as a military man he was entitled to this rather than the humiliation of a hanging..which is probably considered a paupers way(i dont know) So, in this sense I was happy he was humiliated a little on his way out..

Regarding him leaving this world with knowledge he was a martyr, if he was a proper religious man, he should be leaving it with the guilt of the innocent deaths on his hands of his fellow countrymen/women and children.

I have yet to decide my personal stance on execution in more "normal" cases..I know a lot of innocent people are killed through faulty cases..so I dunno.

Saddam was not a normal case..maybe they could have waited a month or so, but it's done now, we just have to live with it.

If he had of gone to prison, whos to say that he would'nt have gotten some nice treatment because of who he was and his connections?

Ju-Ju!

There will always be doubts as such, but i don't see how we, who have been wronged by Saddam Hussein's evil ways, can make it right by doing just what he has done unto him.

In other words, those who have tried him for killing people.. kill him.

It's not justified. Being some what religious, i feel that the power of life is natural. We are given life and life is taken away by something greater than us. We are judged by a greater force and being. Everyone is equal and no one gives someone else the right to judge or value another human's life.

Fair enough Hussein was a dick and he went about killing and i totally hate him with all my might, considering my uncles best friend was killed under Saddam's reign. But it doesn't mean that we should take his life to justify hundreds and thousands of others.

Killing him won't bring them back. I would have settled with a Involuntary Euthanasia, whereby we remove the meds he's on for his cancer and he can die slowly and painfully. That way we aren't directly killing him but letting him endure what's left of his life in pain.

He's simply left this world with a mark. To most, he was an evil, dispeakable character who deserved an instant death. To others (and it has been seen on the news) he remains a matyr.

That thought that he has departed leaving a legacy makes me sick. He doesn't deserve that. Arg. It was just so rushed. Someone as evil as that deserved so much more pain. And now it's over for him while we all are left with the consequences of his evil doings.

I agree with you in that he may have been treated better in a prison and also there's the other problem in that he may have been freed later on.. but it just all happened so fast. He didn't deserve such a kindly death.

Northern-Star

Yes I will give you that it did happen a little too quickly, maybe they could have come up with another way of execution...You have to remember though, no matter what, BUsh is the president of the US and wasn't it he who had the most amount of executions when he was governor? If not the most, he was at the top of the list...so I don't think we ever would have seen something like his meds being taken away.

I'm not religious at all, but I do agree every life on this planet is valuable. Saddam and people like him, give away their rights to be treated like every other human being when they commit acts like he did. He is the man who gave the orders, who thought of it to commit these crimes..

wildflower

you know, ive posted three replies in answer to this, but i keep deleting them all, because they all just sound too harsh!! i think that death was inevitable for him, how can you justify spending thousands of dollars a year to keep him locked up? he doesnt really deserve that anyway! he didnt give any of his victims a chance, and i really believe some people are just too evil to live in this world! yeah every life is valuable, but i think the government dont think too much of the lives of the soldiers they sent out to fight this war that no one wanted anyway! i think we can go round and round in circles but there is no classic right or wrong, its just dependent on beliefs, oh and on what bush says

Ju-Ju!

Ok fair enough. But in that case, surely George Bush senior and current George Bush deserve execution?
George Bush Senior encouraged Saddam Hussein to eliminate the kurds and George Bush (current) continues to use a war on iraq as his key to lots of profit.. oil.

It is arguable that GWB isn't all out just to get a quick buck and the war was because he sincerely wanted to remove Hussein from power, but he continues to leave troops in Iraq even when Hussein is dead!!

From Tony Blair to the sick sod Hussein, all leaders are corrupt.
I am in no way agreeing with Hussein or supporting him.
He was a cruel leader who deserved to die, but for me to say that an execution was nesecarry, i would be hypocritical.

I believe that unless i can guarentee that i'd honestly go out and commit the execution myself, he shouldn't have been executed.
To say, yes.. he definitley should have been executed would simply mean that i'm capable of killing him myself, which i really couldn't do.

I just don't agree with the death penalty in any circumstance, no matter the severity. Where is the line drawn? Who and How is it decided that someone deserves to lawfully and justly have their life taken?

Of course a judge and a countries laws determine this, but who gave them the power and the knowledge to enable such an important law?
I'm very much Anti-Bush and i'm religious so of course my view will differ from the next person and i respect all your views entirely :-) I just have a very strong personality haha :lol:

I just think we're living in a strange system where we're made to believe certain things through the media's influence... (and before you think it haha it's not because Muse say the same thing

My dad happens to now work for Human Rights and he sorta has views on things like this)

I think it's really good that we all have very varied opinions and i'm not opposing what you believe in the slightest. My views are just very different. :-)

Ju-Ju!

posted from another forum i visit:

Did he care about dying?

No, he didn't, he rather had himself hanged then sitting in the jail and eventually be forgotten by the world for the rest of his life.

The trial he was rushed trough got criticised by lots of people for instance, Amnesty International for example. It's a way to put an example to the rest of the world on how fair and just this new Iraqi rights system works.

Did the 'people' care about him being put to death?

Oh sure, there would be some parties in Iraq and washington, and yeah, some will mourn their leader. Right now there are propably some followers putting up plans to avenge his death using the ever convenient suicide bombing way setting the development of Iraq some steps further back.

I'm against capital punishment in any case, it's barbaric,you're letting the suspects get away with it too easily, it gives a wrong example to your society, and above all, it doesn't stop violence or crime, call it coincedence but the top list of the countries with the most crime and violence are the ones with capital punishment.

tasheh

Well to be honest his death isn't really helping anyone not even himself. These kind of acts are just making the world worse in my opninion

wildflower

the only reason that i oppose the death sentence really, is that soo many innocent people have been hanged! (i think it would be a lot more accurate now though with DNA etc), unless you can prove 100%that the person was guilty then no, no one should be put to death, id like to see more of the families of victims getting a say in what happens, although im pretty sure that they would just want 10 minutes alone in a room with the criminal thats ruined their lives, which would really solve nothing! what i hate is when people such as Huntley and Peter Sutcliffe get special privilages, they get to have conjugal visits and get to be educated all at our expense, and the poor victims family have to live with what these monsters have done for the rest of their lives! its like human rights, where do you draw the line there? criminals can sue for being mistreated, i wonder where the meaning of prison actually got lost? its more like a holiday camp if the media is anything to go by

yep Julz its great that we're all varied with our opinions, politics and religion on message boards scare me a bit because people become over zealous and then you have a boardie war eeeeek!, im so glad we're all mature *cough*

Ju-Ju!

haha nah i respect everyone's view on this.
I think so damn insane was an evil evil man and he did in my eyes deserve to die.. but i would never dream of killing him myself so i don't support others killing him either :-)

wildflower

yeah i understand that totally, i guess im a coward, i wouldnt kill him myself but i dont mind someone else doing it! have you seen the video thats on the net now? the whole thing is videod! sick sick sick

Northern-Star

Ive heard it goes a little wonky though when he is actually "hung"..so i dont think you get to see him swinging there..

wildflower

its taken by someone from down below and i guess theyre "caught up" in whats happening, you see the footplate thingys give way, and him fall, then it goes all blurry, but then you see him on the ground for a few seconds

pretty sick, i wish i hadnt watched

Helen

I am neither for nor against the death sentance, but he wasnt frightened of dying as, correct me if I'm wrong, but in his religion to die is good. I am not sure this was the best thing to 'do' with him, personally I think he should just have been locked away for the rest of his life, alone.

But then you think maybe something worse should have been done to him, but then does that put you in the same category as him???

Ju-Ju!

aye i've seen the videos.
Pretty gruesome.. i didn't think they'd show it all but i guess curiousity got the better of me.
It was really unsettling.. but it also affected mebecause i didnt/ don't agree with the death sentence in any situation :cry: very disturbing video.

wildflower

there are quite a few different ones, but the one that showed the trapdoor opening was pretty shocking! i also thought it would be far more ceremonious too, but it was just in a dingy room with hecklers shouting at him, not really what i expected, although i dont really know what i expected, i dont think those videos should have been put online, although this kind of stuff always finds its way on to the net doesnt it?

Northern-Star

you don't have to watch it though.. but it is human nature. As they say, The Rubber Necking Syndrome

..personally I didn't want to watch it, I have bad enough nightmares as it is

wildflower

yeah to me it was like a silent dare, there was no way that i could not watch it, but thats what im like, and sometimes i see or hear things that i really wish i hadnt, just because im so curious, or is that nosey? hmmm :-)