Why do a lot of Muse fans have a problem with MCR?

hystericali · Why do a lot of Muse fans have a problem with MCR?

discuss...............

While MCR is easily the next most popular band on Cydonia (at todays date of writing and purely on number of posts in the MCR thread compared to other bands) the 'majority' of folks on mu and muselive will rip into MCR at any given oppertunity.

Why?

On the Cydonia myspace the number of friends who have MCR in their profile is astonishingly high if you compare it with mu or Muse Live posters who will be negative about MCR. I'd expect the ratio to be smaller based purely on what I see on those two forums and opinions expressed

I know people on here adore MCR as much as they adore Muse, so I'm struggling to see the problem. Enlighten me please.

Is it to do with Muse supporting MCR in the USA (the Muse fans cant hack the thought of Muse being a support band) or is it something else?

The average (and I use the term loosly) Muse fan doesn't like MCR, but MCR fans on the whole adore Muse.

Please dont give me a 'coz MCR are shit' answer, its the lazy option. I want elaboration and articulation please

Ham of the Problematique

I have several ideas (all of which conflict

)

1. Maybe it is a thing that isn't solely Muse-fan related, that perhaps MCR are simply the marmite of the music world - love them or hate them. In my opinion Muse are not that kind of band and there is more of a gradient there.

2. I would say that it is a bit of a stretch to categorise music tastes within other groups (eg the MCR fans loving Muse) because actually most people are fairly odd, and so the question itself may not be quite right.

3. I think that the people who you find voicing the opinion that they hate MCR are probably a small percentage of the people, and those with a particular kind of personality.

wildflower

im more inclined to think its the whole "emo" label! if you think of any of these types of bands, Fall Out Boy, The Academy Is, Cute Is What We Aim For, theyre all just dismissed into one huge emo category and as soon as you hear that word, that is where the interest seems to stop! It also doesnt help with Matt making snide comments either, because its like saying that the "Elitist Feel" of the muse fans are correct.

I think the whole american thing was such a good platform for muse, My Chem sell out a shit load of Arenas and therefore expose Muse to new fans over there, but the way Muse fans have been acting is unforgivable, and My Chem wont be touring anymore with Muse! this kind of thing makes me so ashamed to say im a Muse fan, music is music, if you hate it then leave after Muse, but dont go giving the headlining band shit at their own show, its just not right!

sorry, but its really how i feel

hystericali

good discussion, its what i was looking for :smt045

I used MCR as my subject because out of all the 'emo' bands they get the most comments. FoB, CIWWAF don't seem to get as many comments.

I'm a firm believer in liking what you like irrespective of label/scene/genre but recent threads, especially on mu have been quite negative and it got me wondering, thats all, curiosity.

I like Hannah's 'marmite' quote, Muse are like that I suppose, people either love or hate them.

I was just wondering why people had such a reaction. The general answer is 'coz they're shit' and i was wondering if there was any other reason, apart from 'not being someones cup of tea'

musical taste is a very personal thing and i just generally can't understand why people can't respect someones taste without being negative about who they like. The most relevant example to use here on Cydonia was the Muse v MCR debate, but it could equally be applied to Muse v Radiohead debate which is discussed with equal passion on mu for example. there are many combinations that could be used, I chose the most popular one at this moment in time

tasheh

I'm sorry Ali but I am one of those people.

To me MCR are a band that are there for fashion not for music.
Its highly stereotypical and I am strongly into individuality, I don't like what they convey.

I believe MCR get the most stick mainly because they are the main root of what kicked off the "emo" phase..

As for Fall Out Boy I feel the same way about them, definately there for fashion they make themselves appealing through their music videos, rather than their actual music.. I don't agree with this at all.

If you want to be known as a musician, write songs with messages that mean something to you or something you want others to know about and deliver them like you mean it, not repetitive stereotypical drivel and cover it up with fancy outfits and catchy videos. Its there for young people to go "ooooohhh!!"

As for Muse.. they are the total opposite.. they are hard to categorise into genre, forever changing their style, just looking at them they don't strike as anything that is stereotyped, therefore they appeal to a much wider audience, mainly those who like them for their "talent" which is perhaps why most fans don't like MCR.

As for MCR fans I don't think they appeal to as a wider audience.. I know you like them Ali but to me I just have images of 15 year old girls, in those horrible leggings you get and scruffy hair cuts.. lol..

Sorry I could have come up with something better but I'm feeling rather tired right now :lol:

Helen

You see I dont see MCR as emo, even though they have been put in this category. Personally I think they are more alternative rock, which is also where I would put Muse. I would put perhaps FOB and some of the others in the Emo cat though.

At the last MCR gig there were people of all ages, and not just your typical 15 year old screaming girly (though there were many of these - but that is not just isolated to MCR - I have been to see Westlife a few times :oops: and there are far more screaming middle aged women there than young girls at an MCR gig!!!), there were younger people and many much much older than me! which to be honest compares with people at a Muse gig.

I am also a believer of liking what you like, and who cares what category they are in. I have an eclectic taste in music which ranges from Marilyn Manson through to Girls Aloud. I dont care if people dont like the music I like.

And if people dont want to see a certain band perform then dont go see em frankly rather than shout abuse, chuck things etc.

tasheh

Yeah I definately judge music on what it sounds like rather than its genre I found so very few people do this. I hate stereotyping its nonsense.

But I personally think MCR sound god awful. Though nowhere near as bad as Good Charlotte's new single, what trash

wildflower

but this was my point with the Muse fans! if you hate My Chem then why on earth would you stay around to see a band that you hate, unless its to heckle and cause trouble? why cant people just be allowed to like who they like without being made to feel guilty!? i think these fans that wanted to shout and hit and josstle the My Chem fans should have just left after muse finished their set! its safe to assume that this wont happen again though, they wont tour together again, its just not worth it

tasheh

Helen

I think Thursday played for around 40 mins at the last MCR gig, so 45 is deffo reasonable.

There is nowt so funny as folk I suppose.

wildflower

i have it from some friends that were there, that the muse fans just basically made it really difficult for the My Chem fans to have a good time, shouting and heckling and pushing etc, i dunno, i just think its not right, we all have personal tastes and we should be allowed to enjoy them, but i think My Chem have learned their lesson and theyll take someone else on tour next time, this hasnt worked out at all. shame really, it could have been really good for both bands! they really are such different bands though, and i would never have though of putting them on tour together

hystericali

Its these reports that have prompted me to open this discussion really.

How would Muse fans feel if it was the other way round and the MCR fans were giving the Muse fans the level of hassle that's going round? I bet the Muse fans would be pretty pissed off. Some people need to remember that.

Treat others as you wish to be treated.

tasheh

Yeah that is really stupid.. you bought tickets to a MCR gig!!! Why would you do that to cause trouble??? Just leave afterwards I would if I really wasn't enjoying it!

If it was a Muse gig maybe.. but still not nice for Muse to know their fans would do that

wildflower

the irony of it is though,most my chem fans love Muse!!

Maximilian · Re: Why do a lot of Muse fans have a problem with MCR?

hystericali

I love these different opinions.

Welcome to the forum Maximilian

ashentara

Personally I like to think that I'm not one of those people who "hate" or "love" a band depending on their status or label or whatever. I personnally don't like MCR, but it's purely based on their music. I have nothing against their look, their vids, etc (in fact I think they look good and some of the vids I've seen are awesome). I just don't like their music, I can't explain why, but I don't. But it doens't mean I hate people who love them. I just don't give a shit, as in.. I love Fall out boy, and MANY people hate them, and I love Panic at the disco, etc.. I just don't care what labels and stuff people put on the bands.. in the end it's all down to your own taste. I respect the fact that everybody's different, to each their own etc... that's why I would never lash out on an MCR fan, or any band I'm not really into.
If someone really likes a band, I'd like to think it's because said band brings them something. Who would I be to say "ah,, that band is shite". Come on....

hystericali

its the Muse fans reactions to MCR that made me ask this question really

tasheh

To be honest Ali a lot of Muse fans are up their own arse we just need to look on some of the sites out there

wildflower

i totally agree tasheh, just look on mu or muselive, lots muse fans are so elitist, i hate that, i just wish that we could all like what we like and not have to feel guilty, that would rock :-)

tasheh

I really don't like the sarcastic behaviour of fans wanting to show their appreciation (though i do agree there are a few odd ones who are hard to keep patience with)

People obviously love the band so let them do that i don;t know why half of them go on there to be honest :roll:

hystericali

and thats why Uno and Cydonia get on, we have similar beliefs and respect forum members views.

On here its not a crime to love MCR and any other band, and its the same on Uno.

There are other bands out there aswell as Muse!

wildflower

i found this on a My Chem board, and i really liked it, its a review of both Muse and My Chem, i give you a round of applause if you read it all, but i thought it might be interesting to some of you

This was my first time seeing both My Chemical Romance and Muse, and hopefully it won't be my last. For either band, but -especially- for MCR.

Now, bear with me while I rant just a little bit... I understand there are many people out there yet who still don't "get" MCR. I know for a fact that there have been quite a few Muse elitists on this tour that came to see Muse and left before MCR even took the stage. Of course that was their choice, and if they hate MCR and want to think that Muse opening up for them is bad for the band's image, so be it. But I'll tell you... I discovered Muse before I ever got into MCR. I loved them immediately. I love a variety of bands. But as much as I love Muse, as much as they've moved me with their music and Matt's amazing voice, they don't move me in nearly the same way that MCR does. That could be testament to the kind of person I am, and it very likely is. I understand MCR and where they're coming from, and especially what they believe in. The vision and scope of this band is immense. And all they've ever projected is truthfulness and honestly, wrapped up in a dark and highly imaginative package. Muse are a bunch of crazy talented artists who make exceptionally beautiful music. That also makes you wanna shake your ass... but the point I'm trying to make is that, as a fan of both bands, I really don't understand the hatred. The Muse elitists need to open their eyes a little bit more and look beyond the superficial. If you can't get into a certain band, no problem. But the blind hatred just saddens me. Especially since in the MCR community, from what I can tell so far, a lot of MCR fans are being turned onto the beauty that is Muse and thoroughly enjoying it. I'm sure there were some Muse fans out there that stuck around for MCR's set and experienced a similar conversion. Either way, it makes me happy. Because for me, seeing these two bands together was one of the coolest things I've ever had the pleasure of experiencing. If only some of the Muse fans hatin' on MCR could have left their egos at the door, perhaps they would have found that they enjoyed the actual headlining act. Just maybe. Oh well.. Their loss, I say.

hystericali

I've said it a million times, Muse and MCR is my perfect gig

the author of that review deserves a HUGE round of applause. I'd like to say thank you to who ever wrote it, amazingly well written

wildflower

i know, i think she just said it all didnt she? i came out in goosebumps when i read it, thats how it should be, maybe one day it will!

tasheh

Ok give me a list of MCR songs that you think she is referring too when she says "they don't move me in nearly the same way that MCR does" and I will listen to them and give you my honest opinion on them. Because I'm not convinced at all.

wildflower

i dont think theres much point though tash, because you dont like them to start with, so hearing a bunch of songs that mean a lot to some people wouldnt mean a thing to you! its just personal taste :-)

hystericali

it boils down to the 'personal taste' thing again

I suppose the most obvious song is 'Cancer'. I heard it a few weeks after my father in law had died of cancer and it struck a chord with me.

I feel I can't give you a list because Muse songs and MCR songs move me in equal measure. I listen to each band in equal proportion according to my mood. These are MY comparisons, my interpretation of my feelings of what I wanted to listen to, I'm not actively comparing the songs stylistically, lyrically etc. I love both bands, they are so different to each other in every way therefore I feel I cannot give factual reasons, I can only offer 'because I love both of them':

If I wanted to listen to something 'rousing' I'd go for Stockholm or Helena, something to make me feel happy then PIB or 'House of Wolves',
others may be able to answer this more easily than me.

tasheh

Lol fair enough Carroll thought it was worth a try though, d'oh :lol:

But you know I guess I have had too many experiences with Muse songs that have made me react in unexpected ways. I have yet to find another Showbiz or Space Dementia by another band, to me it will never happen and I find MCR's music sometimes bearable but still shallow enough (sorry its the fashion thing) to be compared anywhere near to the standard of Muse's music because to me and perhaps many people they are on completely different spectrums so I guess thats a hard thing to get used too for some people, I know there are different ways to percieve films perhaps music is the same too, I don't know.

wildflower

hehe yeah it was worth a try, but its not gonna work Tash lol, shame really! its funny you know becasue even though i love muse's music better than any other band, i dont think that they are lyrically deep, i think matt writes pretty mediocre lyrics, but thats just me, to me especially if you know the story behiind the my chem songs, then they really are pretty deep and meaningful, but if you just take them out of context, then i guess they wont mean a lot! but it doesnt matter if you love them or hate them, its totally personal, and thats whats so great about music, how crap would it be if we all liked and hated the same bands?

hystericali

yeah, I see both points. Muse's music is unsurpassable, but MCR's lyrics are more of a story. I suppose one thing I can say is I go to a Muse gig to be spellbound by the technical ability they have and the sound, and the music, I go to an MCR gig to sing and jump around and smile, so I guess Muse are my 'serious' band and MCR are my 'good time' band, again, this is my interpretation, sorry if its poorly written

Epic can mean so much to so many people. there are people out there who think trance music is epic!

tasheh

Yeah I agree Muse's lyrics have gone a bit downhill recently lol

Well its true people will always like a mixture of things

wildflower

yep, and i enjoyed that discussion

ashentara

I agree with the lyrics bit, but I'm not sure it's really gone downhill recently.. I mean lyrics never were Muse's forte, were they? As much as I absolutely adore some of their lyrics (I'm thinking of Invincible for instance), I would also say that while they strike a chord in me, they're not exceptional. Nicely written, but nothing to make you go weak in the knees if you know what I mean

ok my personal history with Invincible put aside, I'd say Muse write good lyrics, but not poetic/out there/totally extraordinary etc lyrics like some bands do. But technically they're unsurpassed

wildflower

technically they are the best band out there, i cant think of one recent band that are as good and as tight as they are live!!

Northern-Star

wildflower

i think what i like about them most is their amazing ability to tell a story, all their albums have been mostly conceptual, and while on their own the lyrics might not mean all that much, when read, and listened to as part of any of their albums you then see how deep they are, maybe thats what muse like about them too, Matt has always said how much he loves story telling in music, like Tom Waits etc, they are the jackanory of the music world

ashentara

whispers: Silverchair maybe?

Ok I know there aren't many fans of Silverchair over here, but let me give you my opinion as a fan. I think technically speaking, Muse own Silverchair, totally. Matt's guitar and piano playing is way better than Dan's. Dan however is a better singer in my opinion, he can go just as high as Matt, and very much lower too. He can sing like and angel and the next minute bellow lyrics in a deep, rough, sexy voice.
And lyrically... they're one step above, really. Dan's lyrics (coz he's the only one writing them) are always deep, or weird, or poetic... I mean most songs make you think, try to understand what he meant, or just make your mind wander.
Live both bands are equal IMO. Silverchair aren't as big as Muse, when it comes to lights and show and stuff, but their gigs are always huge.
Just my two cents.

ashentara

I feel I need to add (double post, oops, shoot me) that i love both bands equally, but for different reasons. Muse is and always will be my favourite live band.
Silverchair, well I have never seen them live except on DVDs and stuff, but they're the band I listen to all the time at home, on my iPod, etc...

wildflower

well as you know Manu, i love Silverchair, i cant even remember how many times ive seen them live! more than 7 though! i love daniels voice, i think it improved as he got older, i used to think that he held his notes far too long hehe! but for me Neon Ballroom is the most chillingly beautiful, thought provoking album ive ever heard! Ana's song (daniel used to be anorexic) used to have me in tears, while black tangled heart made me realize how dark his perception of love was! seriously, if you ever get a chance to listen to this album, its just a classic! its even got David Heffgot (sp?) playing piano on Emotion sickness! in fact i have to go and listen to that album right now cheery ho

Northern-Star

youve made me want to listen to it too lol Its been sitting on stephens comp for me to get for like a year now lmao

ashentara

yeah his voice either improved or he learned how to use all its potential. I think he's just got the sexiest voice :p
but yeah, I agree Neon Ballroom is a gem too. Ana's song.. well one of my best friends has been struggling anorexia for years and this song always strikes a chord in me. Black tangled heart is one of my favourites lyrics wise.

And of course Emotion sickness is my #1 Chair song...

have you seen the Sao Paulo version of it? Chillingly beautiful. Neon Ballroom is very often on my stereo..
But you should try to listen to the new album Carroll, honestly. There are real gems on it.

ashentara

For those interested/curious
here are the lyrics to Black tangled heart. Dark, beautiful song.

Maybe your luck has changed
Settle down
Maybe I'm just deranged
And on the rebound
Maybe love was the thing
Holding me back from all
Maybe I'm just the thing
To break my own fall

Take the rope to my heart and fall
You may just be the last before you
See the black tangled heart fall

Maybe departure's good
Makes room for more
Start to mass produce
For a chance to ignore
Maybe you'll kill yourself
Before I get a turn
Maybe I'll fall in love
And never know

Take the rope to my heart and fall
You may just be the last before you
See the black tangled heart fall

Take the rope to my heart and fall
You may just be the last before you
See the black tangled heart fall

tasheh

Hmmm.. yes.. I guess we just react differently to songs..

From what I see most of you like Muse for the technical side of things which is fine as do I but that is just one of many reasons why I love this band and you of course have other favourite bands to back you up, whereas I find it difficult to hang onto certain bands..

I like this discussion too this would not have turned out pretty in muse.mu :lol:

wildflower

aww Tash, just enjoy muse for the reasons YOU enjoy them, we dont have to pick apart why something moves us, im just really thankful that in this ugly world there is still something as beautiful as music to restore some faith, in whatever shape or form it comes in

yeah, i think for me thats one of the reasons that i dont go to MU, youre not allowed to have your own opinion without people slagging you off or laughing at you, thats not what music is about to me, so i like to stay here, cause we can disagree til the cows come home but still be nice to each other!

Manu, i got goose bumps just reading those lyrics! its the way he sings them though too! he has such passion in his voice, i love it when he goes from soft to gravelly to gentle and vulnerable, aww, im so glad hes happy and healthy now! hooray for Natalie Imbruglia hehe! Yeah, im gonna listen to the new album, maybe i can get a chance today!

ashentara

I agree, it's both hard and useless to try and find why we love certain bands. I guess it's a matter of taste, end of. Some bands will appeal to us, others won't ever, no matter how hard we try

but I did manage to convert quite a few people to both Muse and Silverchair mwahahahaha

Carroll: if you want me to send you the album, I can

yeah I'd say hurray for Nat too, she seemed to have played a big role in his recovery. Though I heard that their marriage was in rocky waters these days. Hmmmm.

Tashie: bringing that kind of discussion to Muse.mu? interesting idea indeed. Let's just be prepared for the onslaught of attacks/slagging off/name calling (laughs at the thought). Silverchair's official board is the same. Don't even try to say that another band is equally good or (god forbid!) even better if you want to stay alive lol

wildflower

i have the new album thanks Manu, just havent got around to listening to it yet! im terrible!! ill post when ive listened to it :-)

aww i hope that they dont split up, they seem perfect for each other! i must admit though ive seen her in the newspapers here, and shes always alone, maybe they just dont take his picture as hes not well known here, but i dunno, they kind of portray her as single!!

ashentara

YOU HAVE IT AND YOU HAVENT LISTENED TO IT IMMEDIATELY ON THE WAY HOME FROM THE SHOP????

oh wait that's just me
:rofl

wildflower

Mwahahahahah nope, i seemed able to resist for some reason

i will listen to it tomorrow for definite!!

wildflower

im listening to it now Manu, its very different to early stuff, but its reminding me so much of the Beatles! If you keep losing sleep reminds me of Sgt Peppers ere stuff! i think i will like this after a couple more listens

Haytch

I've come to notice this myself. There are a few threads on mu and I felt that I had to contribute with my points of view. Some were complaining about MCR fans getting into the golden circle and taking the place of a far more superior Muse fan. However, i feel that if they were at a gig where Muse were supporting MCR like they did in America, then I am sure they would try to get into the golden circle themselves.

I would personally go to a gig just to see the support if that is who I was interested in. That is what fans do. I did see however a lot of people say they liked MCR there and I was one of them. I AM A PROUD LONG TIME MCR FAN!!

hystericali

hey, that's where I recognise you from!!!!!! You and me seem to regularly stick up for MCR on mu!!!!!!! The 'effin MCR fans thread' is one! We did excellent work in that thread!

Haytch

Yep that's me! I suggested having the gerard way appreciation society :lol:
What's your name there? I am Hayleyj123 there, how boring!

After8

I dislike MCR simply because I find their music and style whiny, unlistenable and it's just not my kind of thing in general. In case you care, yes, I did gave them a listen. In fact, I listened through the whole first album when it came out. Winamp -> Trashbin. Purely question of taste, though, I have a friend who loves them and I'm keeping my mocking comments to myself.

Talking about Muse fans in general..I think this massive hatred towards MCR is because they are associated to what these days is called 'emo' - kids with oversized haircuts, glasses and attitude. Not a very loved species.

Another reason could be Muse being a support band. It might not be understandable to kids outside U.S., who don't know that Muse aren't freakishly popular there. I mean, on official forums France thread has 8,000+ replies, even my beloved Lithuania will reach 200 soon, and U.S. had 5 last time I checked. Being a European fan myself I can say it's hard to realize Muse are supporting someone, and not something like Pink Floyd either.

Haytch

A lot of people would argue that MCR are not actually classed as "emo" and I know that they did not form out of popularity or as a fashion statement. Each album they have released, they dress differently and I think it all adds to their charisma. I don't really care if they are emo or not, it;s just a shame that this causes such conflict.

Though everyone is entitled to their own opinions

wildflower

i like it though that on this forum we can actually say if we like them or if we dont without 50 people bashing you!

i personally love My Chem, but understand those who dont, and after all wouldnt life be dull if we all liked the same stuff

Northern-Star

the thing I don't understand is that, why if someone doesn't like a band do they have to bitch and say horrible things about the band and its members, to get their point across?
I completely agree everyone has the right to their own taste in music, there are bands I don't like, loath even (fob) but I don't feel the need to slag them off or belittle the people who do like them. Thats what pisses me off.
Once and for all MCR are not emo..just so happens that they came out when emo was huge and some emo people like them, a lot of non emo people like them too and I for one am not emo! in the fashion sense anyway.
You know what? I hate labels and scenes

but I spose it's a fact of human nature that we have to give something its little cubby hole to fit into. :roll:

:mrgreen:

edited for my bad grammer :roll:

Haytch

Fury

MCR style is too strange for me.too depresic.And I think that they're EMO.
However.They have good songs like Welcome To The Black Parade.But I still don't like them :? :smt016 :smt106

Haytch

Museclues

what a great topic ali. well, because they toured together [last year i think] most fans love both bands, but here in america, they usually go for mcr because:

1)we have emo people [TONS!no offense anybody lol] and mcr is way more famous here...muse usually hits the UK....[but muse is my band 4 life!!!]

2}[gerard way is 30 right?] well, also here in Los Angeles, there is a mini competition between dmy dom and gerard...who is the cuter 30 year old? my best friend loves mcr and gerard the some way i love dom and muse...i'll ask here...and see if she'll get an account...

Anyways!!!

another reason, is mcr's image to theri loyal fans can easliy relate to thier fans[did i just say the same thing twice?hmmm]...more people are looking for that punky/emo/eyeliner wearing screaming band...compared to some[AWESOME,CUTE,AND AWESOME!] trio who base their music on space, the end of the world, and the or"world events, the end of the world, hyperspace, technology, religion, among other subjects"[from musewiki]so..lyrics and sound have a lot to do with it..you know?muse amzaingly[liek the beatles] ae able to recreate their music with a new sense of syle and personality/sound with every album, unlike mcr who jsut produce the same emo image sound as usual....i love this topic!!!

for example, if you go on youtube, you'll find loving and funny compassionate addiction videos of muse...of mcr, well, the whole emo stuff kinda shows off the whole "we're not loved so we're gonna make music on our damn feelings and we are hated so love us or hate us fools..."-comment by friend....ANYWAYS AGAIN! so....before my account was hacked, i had more muse loving fans then mcr loving fans....there are som many musers like us on youtube[youtube is just an example]...

but i still love our trio of boys!!!shoutout to dommeh!

Johanna

MCR isn't emo. That's the worst misunderstanding people seem to have about the band. Even 'though I'm not a fan of them I don't have anything against their music. If they're song is played on the radio or on the TV I never change the channel. They're not bad. And those guys have high respect towards Muse and have said pretty touching stuff about the band, that also puts them to my good list. Just because they happen to have few emo fans doesn't mean the band itself is emo.

Museclues

Why do a lot of Muse fans have a problem with MCR?

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